请问当题目出现水位线的时候,是不是直接用终值跟水位线的值比较?还是要终值减去管理费再跟水位线比较?
另外,如果题目除了水位线还有hurdle rate的话,是要用水位线乘以(1+hurdle rate)来跟终值642比较?还是跟642扣除管理费12.84以后得值比较?谢谢老师
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韩韩_品职助教 · 2019年04月20日
同学您好,当计算绩效奖时,你问的能否达到绩效奖要求(有高水位要求的时候)是要将水位线和年底终止直接比较,还是与年底AUM扣除掉管理费的净值比较,这个要看题目给的条件,有的题目告诉我们绩效奖是基于扣除管理费的NET部分计算绩效奖,那我们就要扣除掉管理费再与水位线比较,而有的题目说,管理费和绩效奖是单独计算的,那就不需要扣除管理费再比较。本题中问的是投资者的net
收益,所以要扣除管理费在比较;
同时,你问到的既有水位线,又有hurdle rate要求时,是两者都要满足,即:
年底AUM-管理费=年底净值,既要大于之前的高水位线(不用再乘以1+hurdle rate),也要大于年初AUM*(1+hurdle rate),而且这个步骤是判断能不能拿绩效奖。而且一般题目给出的情况都是hurdle rate容易满足,高水位线不容易满足,即出现hurdle rate要求达到,但是高水位线要求没达到,因此部门拿到绩效奖的情况。
而具体计算绩效奖,在既有水位线,又有hurdle rate要求时,绩效奖的计算基础是以高水位线为起点,到年底净值(AUM)之间部分。你的提问中可能把判断和计算的要素搞混了,关于这一部分的计算,课后题视频中有详细讲解,建议再复习一下。
Danielle靓靓 · 2019年04月21日
谢谢老师,讲得很清楚了。所以这题计算绩效奖的时候,为啥是用水位线610×(1+0.04)来跟642作差,而不是初始投资583.1×(1+0.04)与642终值比较?
韩韩_品职助教 · 2019年04月21日
这里在视频中专门讲了,如果有HWM,一定是在HWM基础上*(1+Hurdel rate)来做差,所以计算和判断的标准不太一样。
NO.PZ2018053101000017 问题如下 A hee funhthe following fee structure:Annumanagement fee baseon year-enAUM 2%Incentive fee 20%Hure rate before incentive fee collection starts 4%Current high-water mark $610 millionThe funha value of $583.1 million the beginning of the year. After one year, it ha value of $642 million before fees. The net return to investor for this yeis closest to: A.6.72%. B.6.80%. C.7.64%. C is correct.The management fee for the yeis $642 × 0.02 = $12.84 million.Because the enng value excee the high-water mark, the hee funccolleincentive fee. The incentive fee is{$642 – [$610 × (1 + 0.04)]} × 0.20 = $1.52 million.The net return to the investor for the yeis[($642 – $12.84 – $1.52)/$583.1] – 1 ≈ 0.07638 ≈ 7.64%.管理费=年底AUM*管理费率=$642 × 0.02 = $12.84 million因为642 610, 达到了之前高水位要求,可以拿到绩效奖绩效奖=[$642 –($610 × 1.04)]× 0.20 = $1.52 million所以总费用=$12.84 million+$1.52 million=14.36million所以净收益=[($642 – $14.36)/$583.1]-1= 7.64%.注意这里的hure rate是在高水位水平上进行计算,而不是年初的AUM。 老师您好,,请问这道题的hure rate 是 harhure rate 吗?如果是 soft hure rate 计算有什么差异哈?我把harhure rate 的计算方式附在下面,谢谢老师。harhure rate “解题思路1 先计算管理费;2 判断绩效奖是否需要net管理费,题目未提及需要,则无需net管理费;3 与高水位比较,判断能否拿绩效奖——642 610, 达到了之前高水位要求,可以拿到绩效奖;4 计算绩效奖由于有hure rate 限制,先计算超过hure rate的部分,再乘以奖金系数——绩效奖=[$642 –($610 × 1.04)]× 0.20 = $1.52 million5 计算净收益率,(期末AUM-管理费-绩效奖-期初AUM)/期初AUM = 净收益率——[($642 – $14.36)/$583.1]-1= 7.64%.第一次遇到这道题做不出来是正常的,因为既涉及hure rate又涉及高水位,和画图没关系,但按照我上面的思路慢慢做,还是可以做出来。既有水位线,又有hure rate要求,判断能否拿绩效奖时,两者都要满足,即年底AUM-管理费=年底净值,既要大于之前的高水位线(不用乘以1+hure rate),也要大于年初AUM*(1+hure rate),这个步骤是判断能不能拿绩效奖。一般题目给出的情况都是hure rate容易满足,高水位线不容易满足,即出现hure rate达到要求,但是高水位线没达到达到,因此不能拿到绩效奖的情况。 而具体计算绩效奖,在既有水位线,又有hure rate要求时,绩效奖的计算基础是以高水位线为起点,到年底净值(AUM)之间部分,是按照超过高水位*(1+hure rate)作为基础来计算。关于这一部分的计算,课后题视频中有详细讲解,建议再复习一下彻底掌握~”
NO.PZ2018053101000017 问题如下 A hee funhthe following fee structure:Annumanagement fee baseon year-enAUM 2%Incentive fee 20%Hure rate before incentive fee collection starts 4%Current high-water mark $610 millionThe funha value of $583.1 million the beginning of the year. After one year, it ha value of $642 million before fees. The net return to investor for this yeis closest to: A.6.72%. B.6.80%. C.7.64%. C is correct.The management fee for the yeis $642 × 0.02 = $12.84 million.Because the enng value excee the high-water mark, the hee funccolleincentive fee. The incentive fee is{$642 – [$610 × (1 + 0.04)]} × 0.20 = $1.52 million.The net return to the investor for the yeis[($642 – $12.84 – $1.52)/$583.1] – 1 ≈ 0.07638 ≈ 7.64%.管理费=年底AUM*管理费率=$642 × 0.02 = $12.84 million因为642 610, 达到了之前高水位要求,可以拿到绩效奖绩效奖=[$642 –($610 × 1.04)]× 0.20 = $1.52 million所以总费用=$12.84 million+$1.52 million=14.36million所以净收益=[($642 – $14.36)/$583.1]-1= 7.64%.注意这里的hure rate是在高水位水平上进行计算,而不是年初的AUM。 老师请问{$642 – [$610 × (1 + 0.04)]} × 0.20 = $1.52 million.这里为什么是610 × (1 + 0.04)如果是harrate的话是不是应该是(642-610)x0.2?
NO.PZ2018053101000017问题如下A hee funhthe following fee structure:Annumanagement fee baseon year-enAUM 2%Incentive fee 20%Hure rate before incentive fee collection starts 4%Current high-water mark $610 millionThe funha value of $583.1 million the beginning of the year. After one year, it ha value of $642 million before fees. The net return to investor for this yeis closest to:A.6.72%.B.6.80%.C.7.64%.C is correct.The management fee for the yeis $642 × 0.02 = $12.84 million.Because the enng value excee the high-water mark, the hee funccolleincentive fee. The incentive fee is{$642 – [$610 × (1 + 0.04)]} × 0.20 = $1.52 million.The net return to the investor for the yeis[($642 – $12.84 – $1.52)/$583.1] – 1 ≈ 0.07638 ≈ 7.64%.管理费=年底AUM*管理费率=$642 × 0.02 = $12.84 million因为642 610, 达到了之前高水位要求,可以拿到绩效奖绩效奖=[$642 –($610 × 1.04)]× 0.20 = $1.52 million所以总费用=$12.84 million+$1.52 million=14.36million所以净收益=[($642 – $14.36)/$583.1]-1= 7.64%.注意这里的hure rate是在高水位水平上进行计算,而不是年初的AUM。老师这题若将hue rate 变为soft hure rate的话,请问基准怎么算?
NO.PZ2018053101000017问题如下A hee funhthe following fee structure:Annumanagement fee baseon year-enAUM 2%Incentive fee 20%Hure rate before incentive fee collection starts 4%Current high-water mark $610 millionThe funha value of $583.1 million the beginning of the year. After one year, it ha value of $642 million before fees. The net return to investor for this yeis closest to:A.6.72%.B.6.80%.C.7.64%.C is correct.The management fee for the yeis $642 × 0.02 = $12.84 million.Because the enng value excee the high-water mark, the hee funccolleincentive fee. The incentive fee is{$642 – [$610 × (1 + 0.04)]} × 0.20 = $1.52 million.The net return to the investor for the yeis[($642 – $12.84 – $1.52)/$583.1] – 1 ≈ 0.07638 ≈ 7.64%.管理费=年底AUM*管理费率=$642 × 0.02 = $12.84 million因为642 610, 达到了之前高水位要求,可以拿到绩效奖绩效奖=[$642 –($610 × 1.04)]× 0.20 = $1.52 million所以总费用=$12.84 million+$1.52 million=14.36million所以净收益=[($642 – $14.36)/$583.1]-1= 7.64%.注意这里的hure rate是在高水位水平上进行计算,而不是年初的AUM。老师,能不能画个图,已经习惯了李老师上课的方法了。麻烦您纠正下我画的
NO.PZ2018053101000017 问题如下 A hee funhthe following fee structure:Annumanagement fee baseon year-enAUM 2%Incentive fee 20%Hure rate before incentive fee collection starts 4%Current high-water mark $610 millionThe funha value of $583.1 million the beginning of the year. After one year, it ha value of $642 million before fees. The net return to investor for this yeis closest to: A.6.72%. B.6.80%. C.7.64%. C is correct.The management fee for the yeis $642 × 0.02 = $12.84 million.Because the enng value excee the high-water mark, the hee funccolleincentive fee. The incentive fee is{$642 – [$610 × (1 + 0.04)]} × 0.20 = $1.52 million.The net return to the investor for the yeis[($642 – $12.84 – $1.52)/$583.1] – 1 ≈ 0.07638 ≈ 7.64%.管理费=年底AUM*管理费率=$642 × 0.02 = $12.84 million因为642 610, 达到了之前高水位要求,可以拿到绩效奖绩效奖=[$642 –($610 × 1.04)]× 0.20 = $1.52 million所以总费用=$12.84 million+$1.52 million=14.36million所以净收益=[($642 – $14.36)/$583.1]-1= 7.64%.注意这里的hure rate是在高水位水平上进行计算,而不是年初的AUM。 而具体计算绩效奖,在既有水位线,又有hure rate要求时,绩效奖的计算基础是以高水位线为起点,到年底净值(AUM)之间部分,是按照超过高水位*(1+hure rate)作为基础来计算。为啥是超过高水位*(1+hure rate)作为基础呢。。。。不应该是超过高水位的部分就行么。。。